Tuesday, July 31, 2007

The Best Proof--Part 6

Brigham Young taught that Adam was God.
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken -- He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50).


****My thoughts****

Hey, Mitt, did you know that Brigham Young taught this? And did you know that he also said there has never been a sermon preached by him that the saints could not call scripture?

Can you honestly tell me that Brigham Young was the voice of the Lord, prophet, seer, and rightful authority of the 'restored church'?

I have a relative who claims that he has the entire set of the Journal of Discourses, has read them all, loves each and every one of the sermons and would bet his life that these men are prophets. So, tomorrow, just for him (because I know he has been on this site snooping around again), I will be posting some excerpts of OTHER "prophets" of the church, complete with the links back to the beloved Journal of Discourses that he claims superior knowledge about, and maybe he can do some real reading for a change. Topics including: the inferior black race, the proper use of women, the true nature of Jesus' conception, how many men live on the moon and the sun as well, and other choice tidbits.




Saturday, July 28, 2007

The Best Proof--Part 5

The Sun Gets Its Light from Kolob.


Translation given by Joseph Smith of the Facimile 2 papyrus:

“Is called in Egyptian Enish-go-on-dosh; this is one of the governing planets also, and is said by the Egyptians to be the Sun, and to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power, which governs fifteen other fixed planets or stars, as also Floeese or the Moon, the Earth and the Sun in their annual revolutions. This planet receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam, the stars represented by numbers 22 and 23, receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob.” (Book of Abraham, Facsimile 2, Figure #5 explanation.)

http://nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-defined.htm

According to Joseph Smith, the scrolls described a vision of Abraham, in which Abraham:

"saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God;....and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest." (Book of Abraham 3:2-3.)

The explanation of an Egyptian hypocephalus that was part of the scrolls says:

"Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh." (Book of Abraham, Facsimile 2, Figure #1 explanation.)

Also described is a hierarchy of heavenly bodies, earth, moon, and sun, with different revolutions and time, where the slowest-revolving body is Kolob whose day is 1000 years:

"...Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord's time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

"... The planet which is the lesser light...is above or greater than that upon which thou standest in point of reckoning, for it moveth in order more slow; this is in order because it standeth above the earth upon which thou standest, therefore the reckoning of its time is not so many as to its number of days, and of months, and of years.

"And where these two facts exist, there shall be another fact above them, that is, there shall be another planet whose reckoning of time shall be longer still; and thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet above another, until thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob is after the reckoning of the Lord’s time; which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of God, to govern all those planets which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest." (Book of Abraham 3:4-9; also Book of Abraham, Facsimile #2, explanation to Figure #2.)



Implausibility of Sun getting its light from Kolob

“It is the process of nuclear fusion that makes the stars shine…With the discovery of quantum mechanics, scientists soon learned that the sun’s source of energy is internal, and not external. The Sun shines, as we have seen, because of thermonuclear fusion. It does not get its light from any other star. And there is no star called Kolob that gives light to the stars, either. They all shine by nuclear processes, burning the nuclear fuel in their cores.” p 116

“It’s hard to imagine two ways of looking at the cosmos that could be more different than modern cosmology and LDS doctrine. For example, LDS doctrine regarding astronomy is permeated with references to time being measured, or “reckoned” according to a star’s or planet’s rate of rotation. Furthermore, this “reckoning of time” is a prime distinguisher in terms of “greatness.” From the standpoint of modern cosmology, this makes no sense at all. Rates of rotation are largely arbitrary, and of little comment or concern from a fundamental point of view…There is little correlation between a planet’s rate of rotation and either its size or mass…

Furthermore, for bodies like the sun, the question makes no sense at all because the sun, being a ball of plasma, rotates at different rates, depending on the distance from the center of the sun, and the latitude. (25.4 days at the equator and 36.0 days at the poles). In other words, the Sun does not have a well-defined rate of rotation. It depends. This is true for other stars as well; so talking about their rates of rotation as if this was some sort of special defining attribute makes little sense and is of little fundamental interest or value in cosmology…


Now, from Abraham, we are told that Kolob is great, rotates very slowly, and was the first star made (first creation). Yet (as we learned in the previous section) the largest (great) stars burn through their nuclear fuel very quickly, and end up as supernovae, typically leaving behind a neutron star that is unimaginable dense and rotating very fast. For Kolob to still be a star, and the first creation, and rotating very slowly, it must be a small star. Perhaps something like a brown dwarf, a star that’s so small it can barely sustain any nuclear processes at all. As such, its mass and energy output would be relatively small. So it would hardly be “great” or control/govern any other bodies in the universe. In short, the idea that the first star is great, and still a significant star (not burnt out) is contradictory.

This is no trivial problem. The idea that the first star is still around, and has a very low rate of rotation, is inconsistent with what we know of stellar evolution. For that first star to be still shining, it must have been very small. Otherwise, it would have long ago burned all its nuclear fuel and would now be a black hole, or a very small neutron star that is rotating very quickly.”

To ponder: Why can’t the Hubble Space Telescope see Kolob? http://hubblesite.org/

Critic’s comment: The idea that our star got it’s light and power from another star was a theory known in Joseph’s time. Joseph likely just believed what the scientists of his day believed and incorporated that into scripture. Reference: An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, Grant Palmer, chapter 1.

Friday, July 27, 2007

The Best Proof--Part 4

Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the

Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.


You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race-that they should be the "servant of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree. How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam's children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed. When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion.

A Discourse by President Brigham Young,

Delivered in the Tabernacle,

Great Salt Lake City, Feb. 18, 1855


In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord should permit them to welter under the curse, and those were known to be our religious views concerning them.

Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, made in the Tabernacle,

Great Salt Lake City, March 8, 1863


Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.


***My Thoughts***

If Gordon Hinckley doesn't know why it took clear up to 1978 to allow black men to become priesthood holders, what kind of a prophet could he possibly be?

Here's the golden question: As a True-Believing Mormon, how could you possibly consider Brigham Young to have been a prophet of God, when his prophecy of "death on the spot" obviously did NOT come to pass?

Want a list of failed prophecies? For starters:

  • Brigham Young - Cain and his posterity will remain cursed and not receive the priesthood until all other children of Adam have had this privilege. Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 143 (December 12, 1854)

  • Brigham Young - The curse will remain on blacks so that they can never hold the Mormon priesthood until all other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood. Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 291 (October 9, 1859)

  • George Q. Cannon - A temple shall be reared in the Center Stake of Zion in the generation in which the the revelation was given. Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 344 (October 23, 1864), cf. D&C 84 prediction of temple to be built in Zion, Missouri.

  • Orson Pratt - "God promised in the year 1832 that we should, before the generation then living had passed away, return and build up the City of Zion in Jackson County." Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 362 (May 5, 1870)

  • Brigham Young - For Congress to demand relinquishment of polygamy is to ask for renunciation of entire faith. All talk of another revelation is childish babble. Mormonism is in its entirety revelation from God or nothing at all. Millennial Star, vol. 27, p. 675-676

  • Heber C. Kimball - Plurality of wives is a law established by God forever. It would be easier for the United States to build a tower to remove the sun as to remove polygamy. Millennial Star, vol. 28, p. 190

***How can Brigham Young possibly be considered a prophet? He failed the test!Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (New International Version)


20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death."

21 You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Here's some more from Joseph Smith, the first 'false prophet' of Mormonism:

Joseph Smith - A city shall be built, New Jerusalem [State of Missouri], in which a temple shall be reared in this generation — Doctrine and Covenants 84:3-5 (September 22 & 23, 1832)

  • Joseph Smith - City of Zion, Missouri shall "become glorious, very great and very terrible," and "Surely Zion is the city of our God, and surely Zion cannot fall, neither be moved out of her place...". Doctrine and Covenants 97:18-20 (August 2, 1833)

  • Joseph Smith - Mormons will return to Zion, the only place God has appointed for the saints. [Zion is Independence, MO. The Mormons were driven out of Missouri in 1838. Doctrine and Covenants 101:16-21 (December 16, 1833)

  • Joseph Smith - Treasure, gold and silver, would be found in Salem, Massachusetts and would be theirs. Doctrine and Covenants 111:1-11 (August 6, 1836)

  • Joseph Smith - Far West is to be a holy city and the location of the Lord's House. [No temple was ever built there.] Doctrine and Covenants 115:7-12 (April 26, 1838)

  • Joseph Smith - The name of Oliver Granger shall be had in sacred remembrance from generation to generation, forever and ever. Doctrine and Covenants 117:12-15 (July 8, 1838)

  • Joseph Smith - Revelation regarding John C. Bennett who is to help Joseph Smith, "And for his love he shall be great" Doctrine and Covenants 124:16-17 (January 19, 1841). Joseph did make Bennett Nauvoo's mayor, but unbeknownst to Joseph, Bennett had abandoned his wife and family in Indiana and was professing to be Nauvoo's most eligible bachelor (Joseph Smith the Mormon, p. 147-148). Joseph would later write of Bennett: "It is evident that his general character is that of an adulterer of the worst kind. ... More than twenty months [since the Fall of 1840] ago Bennett went to a lady in the city and began to teach her that promiscuous intercourse between the sexes was lawful and no harm in it, and requested the privilege of gratifying his passions; ... and in order to finish the controversy, said and affirmed that I both taught and acted in the same manner. (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 42)

  • Joseph Smith - Prophecy by the authority of Jesus Christ of a soon to come time of bloodshed, pestilence, hail, famine and earthquake. History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 315 (January 4, 1833)

  • Joseph Smith - Made known to him in vision and by the Spirit that the coming of the Lord was nigh, 56 years should wind up the scene. History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 182 (February 14, 1835)

  • Joseph Smith - "I prophesy in the name of the Lord god of Israel, unless the United States redress the wrongs committed ... in a few years the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted, and there will not be so much as a potsherd left" History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 394 (May 18, 1843)

  • Joseph Smith - "I prophesy in the name of the Lord God of Israel, anguish and wrath and tribulation and the withdrawing of the Spirit of God from the earth await this generation, until they are visited with utter desolation. ... I prophesy they never will have power to kill me till my work is accomplished, and I am ready to die." History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 58 (October 15, 1843)

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It seems pretty obvious that Joseph Smith failed the test as well. So, flash forward to Gordon Hinckley the current Mormon "prophet". What sort of things has he "prophesied"?

Gordon B. Hinckley, in an interview reported in the San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 1997, commented on revelation and the present-day church:

Q: And this belief in contemporary revelation and prophecy? As the prophet, tell us how that works. How do you receive divine revelation? What does it feel like?

A: Let me say first that we have a great body of revelation, the vast majority of which came from the prophet Joseph Smith. We don't need much revelation. We need to pay more attention to the revelation we've already received.

These words of Hinckley were prophesied over 2000 years ago (or 170 years ago, if you think Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon):

2 Nephi 28:27-30

Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more! ... 29 Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God, and we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough! 30 For behold, thus saith the Lord God: ... for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.

Micah 3:5-11

Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, ... 6 Therefore night [shall be] unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. 7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for [there is] no answer of God. ... 11 ... yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, [Is] not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.


***Where are your prophets, True-Believing Mormons? Without them, how can the Mormon church claim 'restoration of ALL things? What marvelous works are coming to pass in this day? The biggest project the church has going right now is the TWO BILLION DOLLAR Crossroads Mall under construction across the street from Temple Square. This is while simultaneously CUTTING the missionaries food budget of $145 per month to $130 permanently.

Don't believe me? Check with a missionary, or the families of missionaries who support their loved ones with
$400 a month, only to find that $130 is all they are allowed to use for groceries, laundry, toilet paper and medicine!!!