Sunday, April 06, 2008

General Conference April 2008: Thomas Monson Wants Ex-Mormons to Come Back

Mormons who have strayed from their faith were invited to return to the fold Sunday by the church's new president.

President Thomas S. Monson said members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are ready to welcome "the less active, the offended, the critical, the transgressor" into fellowship.

"Come back," Monson said in his first address to the full church membership since becoming president in February.


WTF? It’s as easy as that, huh? All I have to do is step in to my old ward next Sunday and my newly installed bishop, (who never laid eyes on me in his life) will just welcome me with open arms and no questions? Why? Because Tommy said so?

They still don’t get it do they? Those of us who left, did it for a reason! A real, honest-to-goodness reason not to believe in it anymore! Mine was because they refused to seal my children to me because my ex-husband objected. Has THAT requirement been removed yet? So, what’s in it for me anymore? If it hadn’t been for that, I wouldn’t have had any reason to become “critical” of the church in the first place. I probably would have happily continued to “believe in the absence of evidence to the contrary”, because the evidence would have remained tucked away and hidden in the books and websites of the dreaded Anti-Mormon conspiracy, (aka Satan’s minions) and I would never have known that it was Joseph who started the practice of polygamy, and it was Brigham Young who insisted that he was Joseph’s rightful heir to the presidency, by virtue of his placement in the church heirarchy. I would have never known just how many offshoots of the “one true church” there really were, back in the days of Nauvoo. I wouldn’t have learned anything about the Kirtland Bank folding, the Kinderhook plates, or the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor newspaper office that lead to Joseph’s arrest in the first place. I’m being labeled as “critical”? Why is that Tommy Boy? Because I had an opportunity to discover what you would have happily held away from my eyes for the rest of my life, and all because of the chauvinistic attitude that prevented me from having my children sealed to me JUST BECAUSE I divorced their father?

I just wish that something equally “offensive” would happen to my sister or my mother. Because at this point, that’s what it’s gonna take to send them on the path of discovery. They are going to have to jump through some mighty flaming hoops to obtain some sort of blessing that they have been promised, and when they finally get tired of being the blame taker for the failures of that promise, they might take a serious look at how they got there in the first place.

Here’s a suggestion for you, Tommy Monson: How bout if YOU take a few steps in the right direction, in order to make the So-Called “true” church, as open and inviting as you pretend it to be….


Exmo Community Urges Mormon Leadership to Come Clean

The COJCOLDS, also known as "The Mor-mons" and by the former Mormon community as LDS Inc., urges President Tommy Monson and his fellow executives to come clean with the public about the truth behind their successful marketing ploy to run a corporation masquerading as a religion.

The church, which is actually a multinational corporation that receives 10 per cent of the income of its naive adherents, no questions asked, is among America's most successful cults wherein the top leaders benefit but are secretive as to how their income and lives are led. They give the impression to their faithful flock that they have a direct link to God and Jesus, meanwhile are in the real estate business, involved in building shopping malls and other developments, running colleges and universities, other tourism related ventures such as the Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii. They are also reported as being the original bankers of the casino business in Las Vegas, which is highly ironic due to their anti gambling, smoking and drinking regulations for average members.

The corporation-masquerading-as-religion imposes strict lifestyle rules on their members, taking up large quanitties of their time and money, meanwhile claiming to offer peace, happiness and close families. In reality, they tend to divide families by keeping them together only when engaged in Mormon activities, otherwise encouraging them to spend time segregated in various "jobs" known as "callings" and focusing on church activities rather than actual time spent together, despite their "Happy Family" rhetoric in TV commercials. They are also prone to dividing families when one or more family members decides to depart Mormonism or speaks out against its so-called doctrines and various impositions on individuals and families.


As for me, this is what it would take personally to get me to stop being “critical” and come back to the church that claims it wants me so bad.

I’ll Come Back to the Church When….

1. My children and I can be sealed together WITHOUT a husband/father figure.

2. My non-member family can witness weddings in the temple.

3. All members are invited to take part in the Second Anointing ordinance.

4. My temple recommend is not renewed based on amount of tithing payments.

5. True history is discussed. Joseph Smith's life is open for analysis, as well as all other leaders of the church.

6. Prophets are no longer considered the great communicator and intercessor between us and God.

7. Bishops remove all "notes" from personal files.

8. Forgiveness is something between God and the individual, and no longer requires Courts of Love to process.

9. My sons can wear whatever damn color shirt they want to and no tie. And my daughters can wear flip flops and have their ears double-pierced without condemnation or judgment.

10. I can have a meaningful relationship with the members that is NOT based on how well I follow the crowd and conform to the Mormon standard, or whether or not my husband is an active member, or how many children I have, or what my particular calling is within the ward.


This is a short list. There are MANY more things that I would have to see discussed, evaluated, and possibly removed, (like the washing/anointing part of the temple, or having to wear a thick suffocating veil over my face, and an ugly green apron over my dress, so I can pretend to be ‘fallen’ and ‘under Satan’s rule’ while on earth). Maybe this list is considered fighting against the holy order of the true church. Maybe I am requiring God’s will to be bent to suit me. Maybe God really is this narrow and expects complete conformity and obedience in order to be admitted into heaven. But it sounds an awful lot like the alternate plan that was supposedly rejected and got Lucifer thrown out of heaven in the first place. This God that requires complete obedience conformity, who uses secret combinations to bind the hearts and minds of men into covenants with him, who will not tolerate the use of their own intellect and insists on complete faith as a substitute for reasoning and doubt, is a God I’d rather not be involved with. It’s too similar to what the Christians call Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, the Father of Lies. No thanks. I’ll just stick to an old Abraham Lincoln school of thought:

When I do good, I feel good.
When I do bad, I feel bad. And that is my religion.

Simple. Not flowery, not proud, and certainly not against any Biblical commandment that I can think of. Unless, of course, I’m being carefully led down to Hell anyway, by a master trickster who uses “the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture”. God sure is vague isn’t he? Even the Bible itself is a mess of contradictions, missing portions, and outrageous laws spelled out in Leviticus. Go ahead, peruse that section of the Bible and see if God is “full of love and grace”.

I’ve had enough of this. I’m going full throttle again, against the LDS church. I’m going to use these talks given in General Conference this weekend as my propeller. I’m gonna make them answer me once and for all. I want to know from my mom and my sister: What’s in it for you? Why do you remain committed even after you see that I cannot obtain (by their OWN decree and rules) what they promise EVERY convert? How is it that you can remain when you KNOW that you can’t obtain it either? Why do you stay and put up with the pressure to conform, the warnings and the bitch-out sessions from “those in authority” when you fail to measure up? What the hell is it going to take for you to look out the window and see this church from the outside?

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have to admit that I do not typically follow blogs, I don't really even understand what a blog is but I did stumble on this blog as part of my research. I am in the process of preparing a Sacrament meeting talk. My assigned topic; "Teachings of Thomas S Monson." I will also admit that having watched and studied Elder Monson over the years I have often questioned whether or not I could sustain him as a Prophet and the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am not a "fan" of his speaking style or the way that he presents himself as a person. My thoughts have not always been clear on that subject. Today I know I can, with a clear conscience and a faith filled heart. I know that Thomas S Monson is a Prophet of God!

My only response to your posting is that we all must choose how we will react to any given situation. You, in my opinon, have chosen to react with an unusually high level of vitriol. My response is simply to refer you to antother blog that I ran accross containing the opinions of others who, like you and I, question what is presented as truth. Their reaction is of a different sort, and I believe healthier for the soul, than the negative, bitter content of your posting. I wish you success in search of "your" truth.


http://carpecrustulum.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/thomas-s-monson/

I am choosing to remain anonymous simply because this is my first ever blog posting and I am not sure how this whole thing works.

P.S. I have been a member of the LDS chruch for a long time. The majority of the things that you claim are "tucked away and hidden in the books and web-sites" were taught to me in church history classes in college. In fact to my knowldege none of the things you have mentioned are "secrets" or kept from the members of the church.

Astarte Moonsilver said...

BAH-AH-AH-AH! Just like a good little sheeple!

What evidence do you have that TSM is a "Prophet of God" ? What prophecies have come true? What miracles have occured? Nothing... TSM is just next in line to the throne. The End.

BTW, things I claim are tucked away and hidden in the books and web-sites were NOT taught widely all across the country in every seminary class and in every church history class in college. What do you say about the thousands of converts who never go through these classes? Hmm? Where are THEY ever going to learn these tidbits of history? And, I went through 4 years of seminary, and NEVER knew JS started the polygamy practice. Even my mother never knew that was fact, until I brought it to her attention, and finally convinced her that he was the beginning of it. Know what she says now? GOD killed Joseph for bringing it about. Oh yeah? Then WHY would anyone who believed that belong to the branch of Mormonism that continued to practice it, for another 50 years? Waaayy after the arrival in Utah, way after the supposed need to care for widows on their journey to ZION, and way past the necessary 1 EXTRA WIFE that it would take in order to be practicing polygamy. NOT 20. NOT 30, and certainly NOT 50 WIVES!

So, what use would it be for a single man to collect all these women for himself, and prevent at least a full generation of young single men from being able to claim a wife of their own UNLESS they went out of Utah and brought one in as a convert, then revealed to them the commandment of polygamy AFTER THE FACT!

These things are, IN FACT, secrets kept from the members of the church. Any member who discovers it and questions it is referred to the white-washed version of polygamy practice, and not the real truth about the ugly reality. And now, I will reveal to YOU, a couple of sources that you can look into if you doubt my message. One is a book written by Mormon historian, Todd Compton, titled, "In Sacred Lonliness, the Wives of Joseph Smith." The other is written by Mormon Richard Van Wagoner, titled, "Mormon Polygamy, A History." If, as you say, these things were taught to you, have always been known to you, and have always been accepted by you, then maybe you are ready to answer a few questions:

1. When has it EVER been legal for a man in his 30's to have a 14 year old girl as his wife, much less as a plural wife?

2. What possible good purpose would have been served by participating in polygamy, since a woman can only be pregnant by one man every 9 months? Can't she raise up righteous seed by the husband she is already married to, or does it matter what sperm you get?

3. What makes you believe TSM is a prophet, when his lineage of "authority" comes from the claim of Brigham Young as rightful successor of Joseph Smith, since they both taught polygamy was the only way a man could obtain Godhood? Still think BY was a prophet? Try reading some of the Journal of Discourses regarding polygamy, I bet they never taught you THAT in your fancy college history courses.

4. If you accept polygamy as "God's everlasting covenant", then WHY aren't you FLDS? What compels you to remain a Salt Lake Mormon if Brigham Young and Joseph Smith are true prophets?

Stick around, read some more of my posts. You'll see that I'm not just some windbag with a grudge against the church. I have real reasons for not wanting to be a part of it anymore. Not the least of these regarding the fact that after I jumped through all their flaming hoops to get sealed, I was ultimately denied the promise that I could have my children with me. They didn't tell me that at the beginning of my journey, and why would they? I wouldn't have returned to full activity if I had known before I started that the golden carrot would forever remain out of reach. No wonder I think I've been lied to!!! Because they DID LIE! They told me I could be just like everyone else if I did these things, and in the end, they couldn't fulfill their end of the deal. So, what use is Mormonism to me? Not a damn thing, that's what.


But, I'm glad it's working out so well for YOU. You're probably 3rd or 4th generation Born-in-Covenant LDS. So happy for you. But Mormonism doesn't work for everyone, and is not meant for everyone. That's why I'm writing about it, that's why I'm revealing the inner workings of it. So others who might be entertaining the idea of joining it will have more to consider in their decision than the warm-fuzzies of promises that cannot be fulfilled.

If I were you, I'd be pissed that the church I belonged to would LIE to anyone, even if I wasn't the victim of it. It's not something I would want my name attached to anyway.

Good luck with your life in the meadow, secured by the invisible electric fence! BAH-AH-AH-AH!

kristie said...

As I read your blog comment, I hear your anger with some interactions at church. I feel your pain at some gifts withheld from you by this church. I'm so sorry. I hope you feel happiness in your choices and love in your heart again. I know how miserable it is to feel unloved or rejected. I pray for your happiness.

Anonymous said...

I know what its like to leave a cult ,,, I was angry when I first escaped ,,,occasionally I miss them ,,,then I kick myself and I know how much damage they did to me ,,,

I wish you well ,,, alot of people will never get it ,,,let them be ,,, I hear you loud and clear I know you speak from a good place ,,,


I think that there is a commandment that says "You shall worship no other God than me"

When we worship a man as a God we probably maybe might be commiting a sin ,,, the person who plays God most certainly is

I wish you well

Anonymous said...

well that was sad